146: Why Perfectionism Keeps You Addicted to Porn: The OCD-Like Loop of Escape, Fixation, and Control

Most men think porn addiction is only about sexual desire, lust, or lack of discipline. But after working with men for years—and walking through my own recovery—I’ve seen something deeper.

Many men who struggle with porn addiction also struggle with perfectionism, anxiety, overthinking, obsessive thought patterns, and OCD-like symptoms. They replay conversations, worry about what others think, feel responsible for everyone’s emotions, and carry constant pressure to be the perfect husband, father, employee, Christian, or version of themselves.

Eventually, that pressure becomes too much. So the nervous system looks for escape.

In this episode, I break down the connection between perfectionism and porn addiction through a simple framework: Escape, Fixation, and Control. This loop explains why cravings feel so urgent, why trying harder often doesn’t work, and why porn can feel like relief from pressure, shame, anxiety, and the fear of not being enough.

Porn creates a false world of control: pleasure without vulnerability, sexual stimulation without real intimacy, and connection without the risk of rejection or emotional responsibility. But afterward, the shame and pressure return even stronger.

I also explain the difference between excellence and perfectionism, why defensiveness in marriage can be rooted in fear of failure, and how sobriety often reveals the deeper emotions porn was covering.

You’ll learn practical tools to help you name the loop, regulate before you resolve, and practice “good enough reps” so your nervous system can learn that you are safe even when everything is not perfect.

If perfectionism, anxiety, shame, or the need for control has been part of your porn addiction cycle, this episode will help you understand what’s happening beneath the surface—and how to begin breaking free.

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Jake Kastleman (00:01.006)
Welcome to No More Desire, where we build the mindset and lifestyle for lasting recovery from poor. My name is Jake Castleman, and I'm excited to dive in with you. Let's get started, my friend.

Jake Kastleman (00:17.103)
Most men think porn addiction is only about sexual desire. They think, I just have a problem with lust, or I just need to be more disciplined, or I just need to stop wanting this so much. What's wrong with me? But after working with men for years, I've seen something deeper. Many men who struggle with porn also struggle with perfectionism and OCD-like symptoms.

Jake Kastleman (00:45.538)
They obsess over details, they replay conversations, they worry about what others think. They feel responsible for everyone's emotions. They feel pressured to be the perfect husband, perfect father, perfect employee, perfect business owner, perfect Christian. And eventually, this pressure becomes too much. No one can handle all of this, all of the time. So, they escape through porn.

That's why today I want to talk about the connection between perfectionism, OCD, and addiction, and the pattern beneath all three, which is escape, fixation, and control. Before we dive in, I remind you to follow and rate this podcast so that other men looking for help can find it. And make sure to hit that notification button so that you can keep finding it. All right, let's get started.

Jake Kastleman (01:55.32)
Today's episode is very personal for me. I have spent a lifetime feeling perfectionism in my life. It's significantly better than it once was, but for me as a kid growing up, as a teenager and in my twenties, I felt so much pressure and I carried so much baggage and I still carry some of that now. 11 years into sobriety from porn addiction,

I still carry perfectionism, but I wanna teach you today about things that have helped me. I wanna bring awareness to this challenge. I wanna help you understand the connection between addiction, obsession, and perfectionism, and OCD like behaviors and symptoms. Now, not OCD in a clinical way, but OCD like symptoms, right? So we're really gonna bring that together and I'm gonna help you to understand how this dynamic works today.

Porn addiction is not just about lust, pleasure, bad habits. For many men, it is part of a deeper psychological pattern of fixation and control that leads to the need to escape. If I have a mind that obsesses, tries to perfect all the time, checks, fixes, controls constantly, that's a lot of tension. And that can be the same mind that eventually seeks escape through porn.

Affectionism, OCD-like tendencies, and addiction all share a common emotional engine. The mind gets locked onto something, tries to control it, becomes overwhelmed by pressure, and then looks for relief. You're talking about my life story throughout all my teenage years and into my 20s. That was my story. And it started with food when I was a kid, all sorts of junk food, video games, then it went into porn.

Then it went into having sex with these random girls. It went into drugs and alcohol. And then eventually I got out of those things and it went into things like nutrition, compulsive, obsessive exercise, right? It went into things like anger. It even went into things, spiritual obsessions and addictions where I would meditate for two hours a day, always trying to fix the need I felt inside to be perfect.

Jake Kastleman (04:24.344)
So for a lot of us, the relief that we seek out from that might be porn. For me, it was masturbation. was, you know, because of all this perfectionism, it was, I was trying to spiritually bypass discomfort and insecurities. I still am prone towards that now. I still do some of that now. I'm trying to embrace more discomfort in my life and be highly attuned to both painful and joyful emotion and invite both of them into my life and to be willing to experience both.

And of course, to really cultivate that gratitude and that joy, because that's so important to bring in that love of God, that gratitude, that joy for life and to show up with service and kindness, right? But we've got to learn how to engage with discomfort. You know, we might go to porn for relief, but we also might go to anger, right? We might go to overworking. We might go to obsessively researching.

excessively cleaning, fixing, planning, mentally rehearsing, conversations, mentally rehearsing over and over texts that we're sending or fixating on, or am I posting on social media? Who's looking at it? How many likes am I getting? How many shares am I getting? Right? Whether it be in our business or our personal life. Underneath all of this is the same basic pattern. I don't feel safe unless I can control this situation, this person, this relationship, this outcome.

And when control fails, because it always will, my brain, my nervous system look for escape. Right? And so again, for myself nowadays, that would look like anger, or it would look like overeating, or it would look like obsessively trying to clean or make things neat. Right? Or it would look like overworking, diving too deeply into my work as an escape. Right? Or obsessively checking calendars, emails, texts,

task lists and all these things. Healthier than what I used to engage in at a younger age, but still problematic. So I've struggled with the same pattern in my own life, right? The perfectionism has been one of my greatest challenges. I've always been that way. And as a kid, I didn't know that I felt that way because I saw all of life through this lens. wasn't until later in my life that I began making discoveries and started to understand. I took psychology classes.

Jake Kastleman (06:53.555)
I earned my degree in psychology. I eventually began working with men on their own psychology and learning more and more about my own through that. So I wanna break this down into a simple framework for you that is based on EFC, escape, fixation, control. We're gonna break this down and exactly how to understand this. So escape, right? It's the desire to get away from the pressure, the pain, the anxiety, the feeling of not being good enough or getting away from responsibility or emotional discomfort, right?

I wanna get away from all the responsibilities, the things that I gotta do in my family at work, in life, in my community, in my church, with God, with my personal care, all this stuff. I just wanna be done, right? It's too much. Where does that come from? It comes from the fixation and the control. The fixation is when my mind gets locked onto something and cannot let it go. It could be a sexual image or fantasy, right? In the case of pornography addiction, but it could also be a work detail.

a worry about my wife, a fear about my children, a question I feel like I must solve. I have to have the answer. I have to be certain. Control is the attempt to force life, people, emotions, outcomes, or myself into a state where I finally feel emotionally safe, free of suffering, away from problems, within comfort.

Notice how that last thing of control, it's impossible. It's impossible. Life contains suffering, but many of us continuously seek for this freedom from suffering. We get fixated. We try to control and we want to escape. There are many ways that this is happening nowadays. We've got social media scrolling. We have TikTok, we have Instagram, we have Facebook.

which I am now on by the way, which you should totally follow me there. If you are using these apps, follow me, follow no more desire underscore recovery on Instagram, Facebook or a TikTok. Okay. Self promotion there. But if you're there, might as well get involved in something that's going to help you in your patterns. And I hope for you eventually you're off those apps entirely. You're not even on them. So I want you to notice something.

Jake Kastleman (09:09.035)
Okay, when it comes to social media, video games, food, porn, but when it also comes to anger and it comes to trying to control things, trying to be perfect, the same fixation and control that I can feel in my home, with my family, in my work, in my church, in my social situations, this is the same fixation and control that expresses itself with porn. For a lot of us, this can be really confusing, but porn is sexual connection, not actual connection.

sexual pleasure with zero vulnerability, no accountability, no emotions, no investment from me, no effort, no discomfort. I hold all the cards. I can't be rejected. I determine everyone's opinion of me. It's also a place where I can be free of expectations. Those perfectionistic expectations that are constantly knocking on my door and won't leave me alone.

So again, it's a controlling mindset that I'm in. It's a self judgmental and generally judgmental mindset that I'm in. And notice how all that, that mindset feeds into the pornography addiction. It's all aligned. It's all in the same framework. So if we want to overcome pornography addiction, we need to change this framework of control and fixation leading to escape. The perfectionist tries to control by getting everything right.

The obsessive mind tries to control by thinking, checking, analyzing, repeating. The addicted mind tries to control emotional pain through escape. Different behaviors, same inner pattern. Now, let me clarify something because some people are probably thinking this right now. I know I was. Excellence is not a problem. Excellence is not a problem. You notice how I do my podcast. I've got my music track that I run in the beginning. I've got my specific promotions that I do. I've got my outro.

You know, I get on here and I make sure that I use editing software. I like to do things well. I like to make this a good podcast, right? Excellence is not the problem. We can strive for excellence. That's great. I can strive for excellence as a dad, as a husband, in my work, in everything that I do. There's nothing wrong with caring about my work, my family, my marriage, my faith, my recovery, my future. I should care. I should want to build something great. I should want to improve. Excellence.

Jake Kastleman (11:31.763)
though, is about consistent grounded effort.

It's patient with myself and others. It's accepting of failure and it learns from failure. Excellence says, I want to do this well because it matters to me. Perfectionism on the other hand is about performance, self-consciousness, getting everything right, making sure I make no mistakes. If I don't do this perfectly, something bad will happen. I'll be rejected. I'll fail. I'll lose control or I'll prove I'm not enough.

Now we may not actually think those words explicitly, but they're just implicit in the way that we live and the way that we feel consistently. We need to bring those out so that we can actually start to become aware of the patterns. That's why self-awareness, I appreciate it at the core of my program. Parts work is very, very helpful for that. IFS, if you caught the episode last week with Connor McMillan, such a cool episode, such a great conversation that we had. That's such an amazing practical way to get in tune with emotions.

and work through the deeper patterns that are going on that I'm not sensing. In fact, porn actually is an escape that keeps me from getting in touch with my deeper patterns so that I don't see the pain, so that I don't know the internal messages, so that I don't get in tune with what I'm actually feeling. It keeps me from feeling all that. Then when guys start to get off of porn, they start to feel things a lot more. They start to see the feelings of inadequacy and the feelings of not being good enough, feelings of fear.

feelings of sadness, feelings of anger, and it's really overwhelming at first. It's like, my gosh, where did all these emotions come from? I do not want to be sober. It's a horrible feeling. But the more we can feel that discomfort, the more we can feel that pain, the more we can live life to the fullest and accomplish amazing things, and the more joy we can actually feel, right? But that again, takes focusing on joy in our lives, but it takes accepting and receiving the pain with love and self-compassion.

Jake Kastleman (13:30.867)
I love the work I get to do as a one-on-one porn addiction recovery coach with men across the world. My clients feel seen and heard in that they are receiving the tailored help they need with clear, structured exercises and tools to get sober long term. I wanted to share a couple of the stories from these men. The first story is from my client John. He said, I spent many years in denial about my problem, blind to how my actions and behavior

myself and those around me. I had tried traditional therapists in the past but none provided the solutions or tools I needed to overcome my addiction on a day-to-day basis. Jake however directly relates to what I'm going through and it gave me comfort to know that I am not alone in my struggles and that I can overcome my addiction. He has given me the tools and support I needed to get through some of the most difficult times of my life.

It has truly been life changing. I have been sober seven months now. I have strengthened my relationships with my spouse, children and friends, and I am more present with those around me, more mindful of my own emotions, and I'm beginning to take control of my life. The second story is from my client, Chris, who said, I found out about Jake through his podcast and was intrigued. The experience working with him has been great to date.

I've worked with many therapists and coaches over the years. Jake stands out partly because he cares so deeply and is so eager to help. He sees my problems and is almost as excited as I am to solve them. I hear him furiously typing notes on his keyboard when we're talking and I hear, am deeply invested in your success in every keystroke. I love his enthusiasm to continually find new ways to help his clients. I'm a big fan of Jake.

If you or your loved one are struggling with the incredible challenge of porn addiction and it is getting in the way of your love, your success, your motivation and your joy, then apply for my one-on-one intensive porn addiction recovery program at nomordesire.com. A structured program with personalized help.

Jake Kastleman (15:55.155)
Perfectionism keeps me from trying things. It causes me to procrastinate. It leads me into a smaller life, not a bigger one. Perfectionism may cause me to try hard or be overly detailed, but it can also get me to give up when it becomes too much for my nervous system or I think it's too much. And that becomes a habit. This is why the all or nothing thinking, black and white thinking, perfectionism, these are all the same thing. I do it all or I do none of it, right? I think it's all good or it's all bad.

I see someone as all good or all bad. I think of myself as all good or all bad based on one behavior, one pattern, one habit. And we do this with addiction too. I'm addicted to porn, therefore I'm a bad person. You're not a bad person. Bad behavior, behavior that sucks, behavior that's hurting your life. It's hurting your loved ones, hurting your wife, but you are not a bad person. Okay, it's also this over-functioning, under-functioning cycle that I talked about in episode 144, right?

I get into this over-functioning. I'm trying to mean everything to everyone, do everything right, and then under-functioning. When I finally can't hold onto that anymore, I can't do that anymore, I then start to shut down, I check out, I escape through social media or porn or video games or overeating or whatever it is, right? I under-function. Now I'm not around. My wife is like, where is my husband? He's disappeared. Okay. That's because in part, my nervous system must do that if I am too high strung all the time.

It must find a way to deescalate. Porn can be one of those ways. Checking out and shutting down can be one of those ways. To clarify this a little bit more, what does perfectionism look like? I really want to drive this home so you can understand in a real sense in your life what it looks like. It looks like unwillingness to own my mistakes. It looks like unwillingness to own my mistakes, something I am practicing. It looks like freezing behavior when trying something new.

I have to do it perfect. I mean, again, I may not know that's what I'm thinking, but that's what I'm feeling inside. And it keeps me from trying, keeps me from engaging. It will even cause me to do worse and to start to check out and give up, not put an effort because at least I can control that.

Jake Kastleman (18:09.112)
It's avoiding social events. I can't go there because I'm afraid of what people are gonna think of me. I have to show perfect and I need to put on, you know, I gotta make sure everybody likes me or else I can't even be there. That's way too much pressure. I will avoid it and porn is one of the ways that you can avoid that. Right, I relapsed on porn, therefore I'm not going to the thing or I chose to engage in my addiction and I wasted all that time and now I can't even make it to the social event because I chose porn instead.

It's making excuses for not following through as well. This is also perfectionism. So strange. But if I have all this pressure, then I may cope with that unconscious pressure by making excuses for why can't do something. Why? Because I face too much internal pressure and part of me is trying to save me from that. I can't do everything to the absolute perfect extent.

It's being late to everything because I get too caught up in details and side quests. Trying to do everything right. Trying to do everything to the max. Trying to maximize every ounce of every minute, right? Every ounce of potential. It's feeling a constant pressure to organize, to clean, to make things neat, to avoid pain or problems because I feel so uptight. Everything needs to go right. No wonder you'd need an escape.

No wonder, as long as you have that mindset, there is no way that you will be free of porn. You need to work to shift this mindset. Along with that will come the sobriety.

Okay, this is also having a hard time when my wife criticizes me. I talked about this in depth in episode 144. I often try to defend, minimize or explain away my mistakes with my wife, right? That is a function of perfectionism. We might say things like, well, I only did that because, or well, that wouldn't have happened if you didn't. I didn't mean it that way. You're taking it the wrong way. Why are you being so sensitive?

Jake Kastleman (20:17.797)
Why are you being so hard on me? Can't you give me a break instead of owning our mistake, right? Whatever mistake it may be, small or big. All those quotes are quotes from me and my life. Perfectionism in most ways does not lead to higher performance. What is better is living in flow. Okay, I ask something I do regularly is I pray regularly in my life. It's kind of part of my perfectionism, but it helps me a lot.

constantly reaching out to God between and before and after things that I do saying, hey, here are the ways I want this to benefit the people around me or hey, here are the things I'm grateful for, thanks for blessing me. I often am asking for the outcomes that I want because I need spiritual help because I deal with a lot of internal pressure and that helps ease it. It helps me know I'm not alone and helps give me that spiritual strengthening, that support to be with me.

What would be better? Again, it's living in flow, it's enjoying life, it's genuinely feeling positive, and it's wanting to do excellent at things because I like to be excellent. Perfectionism is pressure and anxiety. It's the need to do it excellent because of how people think about it. It's the need to do it excellent because otherwise I'm not enough, which then comes out as anger, and it also comes out as escape through porn.

Pressure leads to anger and escape. The fixation, the control leads to the escape through the anger or through the porn. For me, I can see this pattern again. I've seen it in my own life through the things that I talked about. When I was younger, I would check the doors at night multiple times. I had OCD-like behaviors, a lot of them, right? Still have some of those to lesser degrees. I wanted to make sure everything was locked, safe, secure.

I've also had patterns around cleanliness, neatness, organization, needing to understand things down to the smallest detail. Even now, I can still feel that part of me many days. The part that wants everything clean, ordered, figured out, explained, resolved, under control. This is something I put a lot of work into and I continue to learn and practice. So kind of wrapping things up here, my friends, I want to call out something that makes this more clear. One of my father's colleagues, Dr. Randy Hyde.

Jake Kastleman (22:40.357)
has said something that has always stuck with me. He said, addiction is simply OCD with a chemical component. So interesting, I'd never thought of it that way before he said that. Addiction is simply OCD with a chemical component. OCD, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, right? Perfectionism is a form of OCD. Addiction is also a form of OCD. Now, I don't share that as a formal diagnosis or to oversimplify OCD. Clinical OCD is a real and painful condition.

And not every person with addiction has OCD, but as a teaching idea, there is something powerful here. Addiction often follows an obsessive compulsive loop. A thought enters my mind, the body reacts, the mind fixates, anxiety builds, the person feels like they must do something to make the discomfort go away. Right, then comes the compulsive behavior.

That's the loop. This is the same thing with perfectionism. Same loop. The pressure to perform, be perfect, get all the details right. I feel this anxiousness in my body. Right? I need to ensure success even before I begin. I need to avoid all mistakes. We experience anxiety from this. When we are perfectionistic, we are fixated on avoiding the feeling of shame, the feeling of I'm not good enough. When we are engaged in porn, we are fixated.

avoiding feelings of shame, the feelings of not being good enough. We obsessively fixate on avoiding rejection or disapproval, and for many of us, this originates in childhood. We came to understand it wasn't safe to experience negative emotions. Perhaps we were obsessively nitpicked or judged. Maybe we didn't receive much help and we felt we were alone and didn't have help. So it was all up to us. And as a kid, that's scary, man. So we froze up. We checked out.

We began escaping. For myself in childhood, that escape looked like, again, food, video games, then it escalated to porn and other things later.

Jake Kastleman (24:47.471)
So what can we do about this perfectionism, OCD-like thinking and decreasing the need for escape? First off, bringing awareness to it is huge. And I've also shared some different things that you can do for that in general. Here are three specific tools as well though. Name the loop. When you feel overwhelmed, ask, am I trying to escape, fixate or control right now? Bring awareness to the feeling. Name what is going on. Then ask, what am I trying to avoid or control?

What are my expectations? Then ask, what is this costing me? Then ask, what would be a healthier way to see this? And we broke this down in the Academy this week with some very specific exercises. Tool number two, regulate before you resolve. Before trying to resolve the problem, calm your nervous system. Breathe, walk, pray, journal, get into your body.

Talk to the anxious part of you. Let the pressure come down before making decisions. If we are dysregulated, we will usually try to solve emotional pain with control or impulse. If we are regulated, we can make a better decision. And we need to take time for that. It can take time to move through painful emotions. I did it the other night. I set up this TikTok account for my business. When I was on there with my phone, boom, up pops softcore porn. Haven't seen that in a hot minute.

Okay. I was very triggered by that. It's seared into my brain and I had to do some emotional work that night for 20 minutes to work through that. I used the rail method and I was able to move through at least half of that intensity. It was very manageable after that. It was okay. Okay. Not that it's easy. That's difficult to do, but when we know how to do it, we can start practicing it. We have a place to go rather than just giving in or fighting the triggers or cravings. Tool number three, practice good enough reps.

Choose small areas where you intentionally practice completing something at 80%. Sounds strange. Look, send the email without rewriting it multiple times. Clean the room, but don't obsess over every detail. Do the dishes, but don't feel like you need to do all of them or clean the entire kitchen all at once. Do the workout without needing it to be ideal. Share the creative project before it feels flawless. Okay, the point here is not laziness. The point is actually to get us going.

Jake Kastleman (27:15.077)
The point is training your nervous system to learn, I can be safe without everything being perfect. And when I start doing that, I can actually start showing up better. I can start enjoying things more. I begin to perform better and become more productive in my life overall. And with some things, they don't need to be excellent. I can do a decent job at some things, not a great job. And it's just fine. Other things I need to do a great job at, right? It depends on the thing. This last week inside the No More Desire Academy, we went

deeper into the connection between perfectionism, OCD-like thinking, and patterns and addiction, and more importantly, how to actually break the cycle. We walked through simple practical tools to calm the nervous system, reduce obsessive pressure, stop over-controlling and leading yourself with more grounded confidence instead of shame and anxiety. So in the academy,

I include guided worksheets, exercises, live coaching conversations. We go so much deeper on this topic and many other topics. It's designed to help you apply the work in real life. So come join us. I'd love to have you in the Academy. Go to nomordesire.com slash Academy. a two week trial. Just come check it out. See if you like it, see what's going on. Or if you'd like a more personalized in-depth approach, join my one-on-one coaching program by going to nomordesire.com slash application. I would love to work with you.

You can apply for a free consultation there to ask questions, check out the program. We'll talk about your addiction, your patterns, what you've been through, talk about your story. And I'd love to meet with you, So hope this episode has been helpful. God bless and much love, my friend. Thanks for listening to No More Desire. It's a genuine blessing for me to do the work that I do and I wouldn't be able to do it without you, my listeners. So thank you. If you've enjoyed today's episode, do me a favor.

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